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 ===I need thinner slices! What can I do?=== ===I need thinner slices! What can I do?===
  
-When imaging very small anatomy with 2D FSE sequences, it can be difficult to reduce slice thickness to much less than 2mm without sacrificing too much scan time or SNR. If sub 2mm imaging is required, it is necessary to move to a 3D sequence. Any time this is done, it is a good idea to discuss with the clinician the caveats for whichever sequence is being substituted. Before substituting, consider the following questions:+When imaging very small anatomy with 2D FSE sequences, it can be difficult to reduce slice thickness to much less than 2mm without sacrificing too much scan time or SNR. If less than 2mm imaging is required, it is necessary to move to a 3D sequence. Any time this is done, it is a good idea to discuss with the clinician the caveats for whichever sequence is being substituted. Before substituting, consider the following questions:
  
   * What is the goal of this sequence? Am I trying to demonstrate contrast enhancement, or show anatomical information?   * What is the goal of this sequence? Am I trying to demonstrate contrast enhancement, or show anatomical information?
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 ==Balanced Steady State Free Precession with Phase Cycling (FIESTA-C, CISS)== ==Balanced Steady State Free Precession with Phase Cycling (FIESTA-C, CISS)==
  
-**Where to find**: Most vendors have this saved in an IAC protocol, occasionally spine.+Where to find: Most vendors have this saved in an IAC protocol, occasionally spine.
  
-**Caveats**: T2/T1 weighting leads to unusual contrast behaviors; fluid will be very bright, edema won't be well demonstrated, will show gad enhancement. Out of the box this is typically svaed withan out of phase TE, be sure to swap it to in-phase. Phase cycling will greatly reduce off-resonance artifact but it can still be present around microchips and large FOV/slice coverage. Bone signal is dark-ish which can occasionally obscure anatomical information. Be sure to adjust bandwidth for the lowest TR+Caveats: T2/T1 weighting leads to unusual contrast behaviors; fluid will be very bright, edema won't be well demonstrated, will show gad enhancement. Out of the box this is typically svaed withan out of phase TE, be sure to swap it to in-phase. Phase cycling will greatly reduce off-resonance artifact but it can still be present around microchips and large FOV/slice coverage. Bone signal is dark-ish which can occasionally obscure anatomical information. Be sure to adjust bandwidth for the lowest TR
  
-**Advantages**: Very high inherent SNR; it's possible to get really high resolution or very thin slices. It can be run isotropically for reformats. Bright fluid contrast can help with anatomic information+Advantages: Very high inherent SNR; it's possible to get really high resolution or very thin slices. It can be run isotropically for reformats. Bright fluid contrast can help with anatomic information
  
 ==RF Spoiled Fast Gradient Echo (FLASH, FSPGR)== ==RF Spoiled Fast Gradient Echo (FLASH, FSPGR)==
  
-**Where to find**: Most vendors have this saved in a brain protocol+Where to find: Most vendors have this saved in a brain protocol
  
-**Caveats**: Vessel signal will be bright, especially after contrast. These sequences are less sensitive to gadolinium enhancement than FSE. Be aware that susceptibility/dephasing artifacts can still be present from hemorrhage and inhomogeneity. Check the flip angle out of the box, 12-15 degrees is a good range. Be sure to keep the bandwidth relatively high to reduce blurring. Be sure to swap TE to in-phase.+Caveats: Vessel signal will be bright, especially after contrast. These sequences are less sensitive to gadolinium enhancement than FSE. Be aware that susceptibility/dephasing artifacts can still be present from hemorrhage and inhomogeneity. Check the flip angle out of the box, 12-15 degrees is a good range. Be sure to keep the bandwidth relatively high to reduce blurring. Be sure to swap TE to in-phase.
  
-**Advantages**: Pretty robust sequences with relatively high inherent SNR. There are usually different fat saturation options available such as SPECIAL/SPAIR which can be more homogenous and less time intensive that regular FatSat options. The grey/white matter contrast is superior to FSE+Advantages: Pretty robust sequences with relatively high inherent SNR. There are usually different fat saturation options available such as SPECIAL/SPAIR which can be more homogenous and less time intensive that regular FatSat options. The grey/white matter contrast is superior to FSE
  
 ==RF Spoiled Fast Gradient Echo with k space modifications (LAVA, VIBE)== ==RF Spoiled Fast Gradient Echo with k space modifications (LAVA, VIBE)==
  
-**Where to find**: Most vendors have this saved in a routine liver protocol+Where to find: Most vendors have this saved in a routine liver protocol
  
-**Caveats**: Vessel signal will be bright, especially after contrast. These sequences are less sensitive to gadolinium enhancement than even the FSPGR/FLASH. Be aware that susceptibility/dephasing artifacts can still be present from hemorrhage and inhomogeneity. These are not typically very useful for imaging the spinal cord or other very small anatomy, and the bone signal can be mottled. These are often pre-saved or require some fat saturation, and TE may not be selectable. The non-linear kspace trajectory will affect image contrast. Flip angles may be as low as 5-8 degrees.+Caveats: Vessel signal will be bright, especially after contrast. These sequences are less sensitive to gadolinium enhancement than even the FSPGR/FLASH. Be aware that susceptibility/dephasing artifacts can still be present from hemorrhage and inhomogeneity. These are not typically very useful for imaging the spinal cord or other very small anatomy, and the bone signal can be mottled. These are often pre-saved or require some fat saturation, and TE may not be selectable. The non-linear kspace trajectory will affect image contrast. Flip angles may be as low as 5-8 degrees.
  
-**Advantages**: These are really designed to run for speed more than anything else, so they'll be faster the FSPGR/FLASH. Reserve this for some thing incidental in the soft tissues outside the spine.+Advantages: These are really designed to run for speed more than anything else, so they'll be faster the FSPGR/FLASH. Reserve this for some thing incidental in the soft tissues outside the spine.
  
 ==3D Fast Spin Echo (CUBE, SPACE)== ==3D Fast Spin Echo (CUBE, SPACE)==
  
-**Where to find**: Most vendors have this saved in a spine or brain protocol+Where to find: Most vendors have this saved in a spine or brain protocol
  
-**Caveats**: These sequences have been around for awhile, but only effectively executed more recently on modern scanners with faster gradients, so keep in mind how old the scanner is; often a 3D GRE will be less blurry on older scanners. There are going to be multiple contrasts to choose from, it is best to select one out of the box that is closest to the same body part and contrast that is needed, as modifying parameters to change contrasts may be a lot of work and result in errors. There may be coil combination, FOV, or direction limitations. Due to long run times, parallel imaging will be required. For very small anatomy these sequences can still end up looking blurry, it is best to reduce the ETL/Turbo factor from the out of the box parameters and leave the bandwidth relatively high and make up time with parallel imaging. Because of the very long ETL/Turbo factor and varying flip angles, the contrast behaviors will be a bit different from a 2D FSE.+Caveats: These sequences have been around for awhile, but only effectively executed more recently on modern scanners with faster gradients, so keep in mind how old the scanner is; often a 3D GRE will be less blurry on older scanners. There are going to be multiple contrasts to choose from, it is best to select one out of the box that is closest to the same body part and contrast that is needed, as modifying parameters to change contrasts may be a lot of work and result in errors. There may be coil combination, FOV, or direction limitations. Due to long run times, parallel imaging will be required. For very small anatomy these sequences can still end up looking blurry, it is best to reduce the ETL/Turbo factor from the out of the box parameters and leave the bandwidth relatively high and make up time with parallel imaging. Because of the very long ETL/Turbo factor and varying flip angles, the contrast behaviors will be a bit different from a 2D FSE.
  
-**Advantages**: Very high SNR, these can be run isotropically or with very thin slices. Due to the long ETL and varying flip angle intravascular signal will be dark, which is excellent for vessel wall imaging  ruling out vessel vs. lesion. True T2 weighting can be achieved with a higher TE ~120, though keep the ETL a bit shorter than the out of the box parameters. If using a STIR, consider running it post contrast! This will suppress intravascular signal and help visualize nerves.+Advantages: Very high SNR, these can be run isotropically or with very thin slices. Due to the long ETL and varying flip angle intravascular signal will be dark, which is excellent for vessel wall imaging  ruling out vessel vs. lesion. True T2 weighting can be achieved with a higher TE ~120, though keep the ETL a bit shorter than the out of the box parameters. If using a STIR, consider running it post contrast! This will suppress intravascular signal and help visualize nerves.
  
 ==Multi Echo GRE (MERGE, MEDIC)== ==Multi Echo GRE (MERGE, MEDIC)==
  
-**Where to find**: Most vendors have this saved in a cervical spine protocol+Where to find: Most vendors have this saved in a cervical spine protocol
  
-**Caveats**: Relatively lower SNR for 3D sequences, may have a bit of a longer run time. Sensitive to motion artifact, so carefully consider the phase encoding direction when scanning; axial in the thoracic spine is often low image quality. Suggested planes: Cervical Spine: Axial or sagittal Thoracic Spine: Sagittal or Dorsal, Lumbar Spine: Any plane should look ok. isotropic imaging will run very long, so it's not usually worth it since parallel imaging will decrease the already lower SNR. Best to run with slice thickness 1.5mm or greater. May have an FOV limitation depending on software level.+Caveats: Relatively lower SNR for 3D sequences, may have a bit of a longer run time. Sensitive to motion artifact, so carefully consider the phase encoding direction when scanning; axial in the thoracic spine is often low image quality. Suggested planes: Cervical Spine: Axial or sagittal Thoracic Spine: Sagittal or Dorsal, Lumbar Spine: Any plane should look ok. isotropic imaging will run very long, so it's not usually worth it since parallel imaging will decrease the already lower SNR. Best to run with slice thickness 1.5mm or greater. May have an FOV limitation depending on software level.
  
-**Advantages**: Much more robust T2* contrast due to multiple combined echoes at both short and long TE's. Great anatomic contrast for the spine as bone will be black, discs and joints will be very bright, CSF and Fat are different shades of grey, and grey/white matter contrast is excellent. Sensitive to hemorrhage around the spinal cord. Hydrated disc extrusions can be more apparent than on T2. Can have multiple fat saturation options such as SPECIAL, SPAIR, Water Excitation, as well as regular Fatsat.+Advantages: Much more robust T2* contrast due to multiple combined echoes at both short and long TE's. Great anatomic contrast for the spine as bone will be black, discs and joints will be very bright, CSF and Fat are different shades of grey, and grey/white matter contrast is excellent. Sensitive to hemorrhage around the spinal cord. Hydrated disc extrusions can be more apparent than on T2. Can have multiple fat saturation options such as SPECIAL, SPAIR, Water Excitation, as well as regular Fatsat. Can be great for a wobbler's case.